OK. Thought I'd get an "O" substitute at a discount. I bought these and the chardonnay. Nice try, but no cigar. They both are just enough different in shape from "O" that they slip out of my, and my wife's, hands! Not a quality one needs in wine glasses.Get more detail about Libbey 16-1/2-Ounce Stemless Red Wine, Box of 12.
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